[Phys-L] Re: [SPAM-4.611] Re: THE WEDGE STRATEGY of The ID Movement

[sclarkphd at MINDSPRING.COM (Steve Clark)]

The problem here is that you are ascribing Christian principles to
people professing to be Christian. That doesn't make their behavior
an accurate reflection of what the Bible requires. In fact, the Bible
is full of condemnation of just the kind of injustices Hugh
describes. A quick reading of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Proverbs, to name a
few, shows all the things that God hates. And the Jews were
constantly rebuked and punished for their inattention to the
injustices perpetrated on the poor.

Have we gotten better over the years? Some, but not very much. It's
that sin problem that we can't seem to shake.

But I have another question -

Why are these Judeo-Christian ideas thought to be from Aristotle or
the Babylonians? What evidence is there that Moses didn't write the
first 5 books of the Old Testament? Or that the traditions that have
come from the Jews didn't originate with their time in Egypt about
2500 BC? It seems to me that there is too much discounting of the
historicity of the Old Testament. At the very least, the Old
Testament should be granted the possibility that it is historical in
those areas where it claims to be historical.

Steve Clark, Ph.D.

On Oct 13, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Hugh Haskell wrote:

> At 09:30  -0500 10/13/05, James E Mackey wrote:
>
> > Or one might say that the decline in moral basis in our society
> > allows
> > governments to do things that would have prompted massive
> > opposition in
> > earlier generations, when the US was still a "Christian?" nation
> > and at
> > least paid official "lip-service" to christian principles.
>
> And during earlier generations, when the US was still a "Christian
> nation," blacks and women were routinely denied equal rights, were
> openly discriminated against in employment and wages, blacks were
> routinely "red-lined" by mortgage and loan companies, denied access
> to adequate housing, Jews were openly excluded from certain
> communities, contraception was illegal, gays were openly harrassed by
> police, and denied employment, even fired if their sexual orientation
> became known, women were given the right to vote only reluctantly,
> and only after a prolonged struggle, blacks were routinely denied the
> right to vote, intermarriage among races was at best frowned upon and
> at worst illegal. In many parts of the country taking a stand for
> equal rights for racial minorities, or even women was a
> life-threatening action. Rape was considered mostly the fault of the
> woman, unless the woman was white and the rapist black, in which case
> it became a capital crime whether the accused rapist was ever tried
> or not. Violence against women was widely condoned, even encouraged
> in some societies.
>
> Are these the "Christian principles" you are talking about?
>
> Hugh
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