[Phys-L] Re: ID defenders

[mshapiro at EXCHANGE.FULLERTON.EDU (Shapiro, Mark)]

I believe that there are some predictions of a "big bang" theory that
can be tested.  For example, the 3 K background radiation comes out of
big bang theories rather naturally.  On the other hand, young earth
creation, as well as steady state universe theories cannot account for
the 3 K radiation.

Mark

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From: Forum for Physics Educators [mailto:PHYS-L@list1.ucc.nau.edu] On
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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:23 AM
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Subject: Re: ID defenders

I agree with the main point of R. McDermott's posts (that the science
education community could be doing a better job of presenting what
science does and doesn't do).  However, I don't follow the assertion
that macroevolution and the big bang are untestable.

> For example, we have extrapolated from observations that
> there was a "Big Bang".  However likely that
> extrapolation is to be true, I can't for the life of me
> see how that can be tested!?

If the big bang was true, certain things should be observable in the
current universe and other things should not.  If evolution was true,
certain things should be observable in the current universe and other
things should not.  Are you saying that this does not count as testable?
Or, are you saying that the big bang and evolution make no predictions
about what should be observable in the current universe?

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