Re: Unorthodox science projects

["Fernanda Foertter [Advanced Physics Forums]" <admin@ADVANCEDPHYSICS.ORG>]

millions of genes...even 1% diversity is much more diversity than Noah and
his family could ever provide.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Uretsky" <jlu@HEP.ANL.GOV>
To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Unorthodox science projects


>         Careful there!  Geneticists and evolutionary biologists tell us
> that there is very little (genetic) diversity among humans.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Fernanda Foertter [Advanced Physics Forums] wrote:
>
> > Maybe in fairness, a good science project could be one using plain
good'ol
> > science to explain the so called "unexplainable" or "miracles" in the
bible.
> > In fact,  I think Nova put out a video once explaining how the ten
plagues
> > have a simple explanation such as the food chain. (frogs, crickets, red
> > moon, fish dying etc)
> >
> > Or how the parting of the red sea was a drought followed by summer
floods.
> > But as with every fish story, the fish grows longer and longer, as do
the
> > sizes of catastrophes and so called miracles in scripture.
> >
> > Not to be cynical, but what would be your criteria of FAIR?  As in, how
to
> > turn bread into fish?  water into wine?  how about raising the dead?
> >
> > Here is fair:  how do you explain the diversity of humans considering
the
> > bible says we came from Adam and Eve? or better yet, after
diversification
> > miraculously happened the flood again put the fate of the human
population
> > at the hand of Noah and his family.  How does the bible then explain
genetic
> > diversification through incest?
> >
> > As someone already pointed out so well...this so called fairness
christians
> > speak of never question these inconsistencies.  It's all so darn
miraculous.
> > It's not Science.
> >
> > Fernie
> > www.advancedphysics.org
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert B Zannelli" <Spinoza321@AOL.COM>
> > To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: Unorthodox science projects
> >
> >
> > > In a message dated 4/23/2004 10:01:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > wilson.gonzalezespad@MAIL.ATU.EDU writes:
> > > Have you ever SEEN a science fair project from a "Christian"
perspective?
> > If
> > > you judge it, how the student defended his/her project? Whas was
his/her
> > > rationale in making the project? Probably you do not agree with these
type
> > of
> > > projects, but I need to know how common they are?
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Any time I see terms like Science from a Christian perspective or an
> > Islamic
> > > perspective, etc., alarms bells go off. What could it mean to view
Science
> > > from any particular religious perspective? In essence religion is
> > anti-science
> > > requiring belief without objective proof. In fact it's considered
sinful
> > in most
> > > religions to doubt, while skepticism is one of the core values of
Science.
> > In
> > > these days of intelligent design nonsense, or creation "science" I
would
> > view
> > > this kind of thing as totally out of place in any real science
project.
> > > Scientists hold many different religious views but the real ones don't
mix
> > their
> > > religious beliefs with their science.
> > >
> > > Bob Zannelli
>
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