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Re: Why does electrostatic attraction in water decrease?



Pentcho Valev wrote:

Panofsky's book ... pp. 115-116:
"Thus the decrease in force that is experienced between
two charges when they are immersed in a dielectric liquid can be understood only
by considering the effect of the pressure of the liquid on the charges
themselves. In accordance with the philosophy of the action-at-a-distance
theory, no change in the purely electrical interaction between the charges takes
place."

That's obvious nonsense, for several reasons:

1) Pressure is a scalar. To the extent that there is a pressure, it
pushes on both sides of the charged particle equally. No net force,
therefore no work, therefore no contribution to the energy budget.

2) It's silly to emphasize the long-range effects of the charged
objects without discussing the equally-long-range effects of the
displacement charges within the dielectric.

-- Scenario 1: I bring a charge to point A and another charge
to point B (bringing them in from infinity as described above)
in the absence of any dielectric.
-- Scenario 2: Same, except that there is a slab of _solid_
dielectric material in some of the space between A and B.

There's no pressure on the charges in either scenario, but
the energies and forces are quite different.

Yes, but the case has nothing to do with the one in which the charges move in a
liquid dielectric. If, for instance, they are opposite, in your Scenario 2 you
will obtain some more work than in your Scenario 1, due to the polarization of
the solid dielectric. If, in Scenario 3, the charges go the same route but are
in water all along, you will obtain 80 times less work than in scenario 1.

The water "in the middle" (location yyy) tends to attract the
charges inward, increasing the energy of assembly. The water
"behind" the charges (locations xxx and zzz) tends to attract
the water outwards, decreasing the energy of assembly. If you
do the numbers, I bet it all works out.

xxx yyy xxx
xxx yyy xxx
xxx yyy xxx
xxx + yyy - xxx
xxx yyy xxx
xxx yyy xxx
xxx yyy xxx