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Re: New AP Physics Convention in Thermodynamics



I see some problems!

For example, is the dV in the work integral (for work done "on" the system)
now changed from negative to positive ??? Or vice versa ??

This goes against the standard mathematical dV representing an "increase" in
V.

I guess I can live with, and teach, whatever the accepted convention is, but
I thought everything fit together kind of nicely the old way.

Oren Quist, SDSU


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Weitz [mailto:weitz@PIPELINE.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:49 AM
To: PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu
Subject: New AP Physics Convention in Thermodynamics


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Hi Everyone,

I certainly appreciate the intensity with which so many people respon=
d to questions, and also the discussions that evolve from those quest=
ions.

The College Board has changed a sign convention in thermodynamics as =
follows:
"Another change for 2002 relates to the sign convention used for work=
in thermodynamics. In thermodynamic equations, the symbol W will rep=
resent the work done on a system rather than by a system, so that the=
first law of thermodynamics will be written D U =3D Q + W. This chan=
ge makes the sign convention consistent with that used for work in me=
chanics, as well as with the thermodynamic convention used in most ch=
emistry and some physics textbooks."

-from http://www.collegeboard.org/ap/physics/html/cours014.html



Back in the stone ages, I was taught that W is positive when the gas =
does work, and I've taught it that way since. Now, of course, I can =
change, though I do like to write Q =3D W + D U. =20

What is the sense of the folks on this list? How widely is the new AP=
convention used as compared with the old one?=20



Hope summer is treating everyone well,

Jeff Weitz


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<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Back in the stone ages, I was taught that W is positive when the g=
as does=20
work, and I've taught it that way since.&nbsp; Now, of course, I can =
change,=20
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<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Hope summer is treating everyone well,</P>
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