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Re: IONS on metals/dielectrics



It's worse than you say! Classical physics can't make a stable atom, let
alone a solid piece of material (out of electrodynamic forces). Maxwell
would have the orbiting electrons radiate away their energy and spiral
into the nucleus.

The proposal that the atom was electrodynamic was seriously born with
Rutherford's work in 1911. It took only till 1913 for Bohr to deny
Maxwellian physics as the basis of its stability.

Bob Sciamanda
Physics, Edinboro Univ of PA (ret)
trebor@velocity.net
http://www.velocity.net/~trebor
-----Original Message-----
From: Ludwik Kowalski <KowalskiL@Mail.Montclair.edu>
To: phys-l@atlantis.uwf.edu <phys-l@atlantis.uwf.edu>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: IONS on metals/dielectrics


Thanks, Bob:

You make a distinction between forces which are
"Maxwellian" (=classical) and forces which are "electric"
(=non-classical).

I used to think that stability of charges on metallic surfaces
can be explained by classical physics. Now I learn that this is
not true. Hmm? Classical physics predicts that "like charges
repel each other and should consequently escape from a
metallic sphere into the surrounding vacuum." The
prediction, as we all know, is not consistent with reality.
How was this interpreted before Q.M.?

The situation is very different from what we have in classical
versus non-classical kinematics. Relativistic kinematics is “
more correct” than Gallilean kinematics but the differences are
not significant, unless v/c are large. Electrostatics, on the other
hand, must be non-classical from the beginning, even for large
objects. I was not aware how much is hidden behind the concept
of work function.
Ludwik Kowalski

The process is surely electrodynamics, but quantum mechanical - not
Maxwellian. Eg. the Pauli principle is operative. This is not a
separate force but a general constraint on all forces/system states.
(It's effect has been referred to as the "exchange force" because of
its
root in particle statistics.)