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On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Bob Sciamanda wrote:were
Bill,
Had you been my student, you would have examined the details. You
thetaught (or at least learned) words, not physical phenomena.
Bob,
The trouble is, I DID examine details. As I student I used H&R, and as
part of electronics classes I did lots of capacitor experiments. But
particular way that my mind "pigeonholed" the information was the causeof
the problem. I see that all this happened on a conceptual level, not aa
level of words. My concepts were fine, it was my "concept net" that was
horrible mess. Things didn't connect. My analogy for a capacitor waschambers.
that of a charge-filled bucket, when it should have been that of a
stretched rubber band, or of a membrane between two water-filled
The bucket-metaphor made me misinterpret everything.
. . .must be
Don't rely on
words (or mathematics) alone to convey or express the physics; they
arechewed, ruminated, digested, purged of waste materials, and only then
assimilated into our being. Whatever word choices we make, they too
arefaltering, incomplete (linguistic) models for ideas (which themselves
mymodels of reality).
My arguments center around my recent activities in journeying back into
earlier physics learning experiences and their results, and my discoverychew
of a major distorting concept in myself. I had originally failed to
and digest old concepts. I could use the concepts, but realized thata
something was seriously wrong. When I went back and sorted things out
(with the benefits of having worked on K-6 misconceptions), I extracted
single large monkey wrench that had been lodged in my "concept digestiondown
mechanism." . . .
. . .
I think that analogies illustrate the flaw more clearly. If I stake
the ends of a rubber band, then grasp the center of the rubberbandbetween
thumb and forefinger and move it towards one of the ends, have I "storedside,
rubber"? No, because every bit of rubber that was removed from one
was placed into the other side. Considered individually, one side of mybeen
rubber band has less, and the other side has more, but no rubber has
created, destroyed, or added. If I boost an atom's electron from alower
shell to a higher, have I injected charge into the atom? Is the atom aor
device for storing charge, or does it have constant (but energetically
reconfigurable) charge? Is my rubberband a device for storing rubber,
does it have constant (but energetically reconfigurable) quantity of
rubber? Do we usually reconfigure the charges in a capacitor
energetically, while simultaneously leaving the capacitor neutral before
and after? I'd say yes.
ManyA capacitor is a thing; in the most common use of the word it is
a system of two conductors, electrically insulated from each other.
discussionthings can be done to/with this thing; the two conductors can each be
electrically charged in a wide variety of ways. Such a physical
realshould be engaged (and played with in electrostatic experimentation -
definableand/or gedanken) long before the concept of "capacitance" as a
procedure isproperty of a properly designed system subjected to a definite
Thiscreated.
True, and the bulk of my comments are regarding a 2-plate capacitor.
is different than the "3 metal sphere capacitor." . . .
. . .doing
If I take a long view regarding these messages, I note that what I'm
is to insist that all explanations of capacitors stringently staythe
consistent with the conservation law. If we place equal (+) and (-)
charges into any device, then we damn well better NOT say that we have
injected any charge into that device. Putting in the (+) may increase
charge, but putting in the (-) decreases the charge again.
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