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okay so it depends on whether we are talking about what we would see
(have already seen) or about what we say it means (but you said
"what is seen"). (I still think it would be mighty uncomfortable if
what we actually observe is 3000K. ;^)
Dewey
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Dewey I. Dykstra, Jr.
From the eye of the hurricane,